A log of Charlottesville City Council Meetings 2008-2015. Transported from the City of Charlottesville website as a project of Smart Cville, http://www.smartcville.com.


HELD ON Tuesday, February 19, 2013, AT 6:30 p.m. IN THE Second Floor Conference Room.
Closed session as provided by Section 2.2-3712 of the Virginia Code
Council met in special session on this date with the following members present:
Mr. Norris, Mr. Huja, Ms. Szakos, Ms. Smith, Ms. Galvin.
On motion by Ms. Szakos, seconded by Mr. Norris, Council voted, (Ayes: Ms. Szakos,
Mr. Huja, Mr. Norris, Ms. Galvin, Ms. Smith; Noes: None), to meet in closed session for
discussion and consideration of the salary for the City Manager, as authorized by Va. Code sec.
2.2-3711 (A) (1).
On motion by Ms. Szakos, seconded by Ms. Smith, Council certified by the following vote
(Ayes: Mr. Huja, Ms. Smith, Ms. Galvin, Mr. Norris, Ms. Szakos; Noes: None), that to the best
of each Council Member's knowledge, only public business matters lawfully exempted from the
open meeting requirements of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and identified in the
motion convening the closed session were heard, discussed or considered in the closed session.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS – February 19, 2013
Council met in regular session on this date with the following members present: Ms.
Smith, Mr. Norris, Ms. Szakos, Ms. Galvin, Mr. Huja
Mr. Huja invited Ms. Jennie Thollander from Region 10 to present on the VSA Arts
program. Ms. Thollander thanked Council for their financial support this year. Ms. Carol
Hanson read her poem entitled "Anger" for Council.
Ms. Szakos read a proclamation in honor of African American History Month.
Ms. Smith announced a celebration of Black History Month on Sunday, February 24 at the
Carver Recreation Center from 2:30 p.m. - 4:30 p.m.
Mr. Norris read a proclamation for The Big Read event during the month of March. The
kick-off will take place on February 23 at the Free Speech Wall, and the book for the month is
The Joy Luck Club, by Amy Tan. Ms. Jackie Lichtman was present to accept the proclamation.
Go to www.jmrl.org/bigread for more information on events throughout the month.
Ms. Galvin announced the special election on Tuesday, April 2 for the Office of the
Treasurer. Call 970-3250 for more information.
There will be a meeting on February 25 at 6:00 p.m. at City Space about the McIntire Park
Bike/Pedestrian Bridge. For more information, call Chris Gensic at 970-3656 or email
Ms. Szakos announced the next Our Town Charlottesville meeting at Clark Elementary
School from 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. for the Belmont/Carlton neighborhoods.
Mr. Huja asked Council if they supported holding another public hearing on the stormwater
fee this evening. Ms. Szakos said she supports public hearings generally, but feels we have had
plenty of input on this matter. Ms. Galvin said she is not inclined to have another public hearing.
Mr. Norris said there is no rush, and we should give citizens another chance to weigh in. Ms.
Smith said she supports one and wishes we would have one on the marijuana agenda topic as
well. Mr. Jones said we would need to advertise for a public hearing and hold it at a future
meeting. Ms. Galvin asked Mr. Jones to review the public engagement efforts that have been
made during this process. Council decided to allow an additional 30 minutes for public comment
on the stormwater fee during matters by the public
Mr. Jeff Fogel, 215 Spruce St., said there should be a public hearing on the marijuana issue.
He said the proposed ordinance is a waste of time, and Council should reject it. He presented a
modified proposal to Council. He said it is more important to address the issue of the use of
marijuana by young people. He said jail time is barbaric.
Ms. Jen Downey, 1014 Locust Ln., said she is here representing Walk Charlottesville. She
offered suggestions for additional language regarding updates to the sidewalk manual.
Mr. Dan Purdy, 776 Prospect Ave., encouraged Council to pass the marijuana ordinance.
He said anything that protects marijuana users from heavy-handed punishment is a step in the
right direction. The level of stigma and guilt should not be applicable to marijuana users.
Ms. Carol O'Connor, 1113 Monticello Rd., said she attended the meeting about Belmont
Bridge at JMRL last week. What was presented as fact at the meeting was not very well vetted,
and there was not support for where the information came from.
Mr. Ed McCann, Lynchburg resident, Executive Director of Virginia NORML Statewide
Organization, said he supports the new ordinance minus the additions made by the City Attorney
that would continue to put people in jail for marijuana use. Just because something is legal does
not mean it is good for you, and this gives parents an opportunity to talk to their children about
inappropriate marijuana use.
Mr. Jordan McNeish, 2560 Beasely Ln., encouraged Council to reject the ordinance as
written, because it does not allow users to be diverted from the criminal justice system.
Ms. Paula Klockner said this small change in the marijuana ordinance would have
impacted her life greatly. She described her experience with punishments imposed on her as a
result of a minor marijuana possession and the negative impact these punishments have had on
her quality of life.
Mr. Richard Kennedy, 6009 River Dr., Lorton, Virginia, said it was clear forty years ago
that marijuana was a far less dangerous drug than alcohol or tobacco, and epidemiological
studies have shown no difference between smokers and non-smokers. Both local experts on this
topic have recommended that it be legalized.
Mr. Lewis A. Martin, III, 923 Marshall St., member of Annette Baptist Church, said he is
primarily concerned with the funding method of the stormwater management program. He said
he cannot deduct this if it is charged as a fee instead of a tax. You would get more user fees by
implementing a real estate tax instead.
Mr. Graye Jones, 808 Rives St., Pastor at Faith Baptist Church, said he had not received
any notice of this meeting. He said this fee would be 6% of their total income, and imposing this
fee would inhibit their ability to perform many of the community services they provide now. The
City should not be able to touch the tithes of their membership.
Mr. Jim Snead, 1570 Old Ballard Rd., member at First Presbyterian, said churches are taxexempt
for a reason. Also, churches provide services the City cannot provide for less money.
There was not enough notification to local churches. Please do not impose this fee, which will
put undue financial burden on local churches.
Major Allen Johnson, 2605 Huntington Rd., said the Salvation Army has served many
citizens this year, and this fee will have an adverse effect on their organization.
Mr. Massa Kollie, 515 Rockland Ave., said First Baptist Church has been very helpful to
his family. This fee will impact how the church can help refugee families such as his.
Ms. Robbie Savage, Executive Director of the Rivanna Conservation Society, said she is
speaking on behalf of several non-profit organizations that support the stormwater fee. She said
our infrastructure has been neglected for decades, and we need to update our underground pipes
if we want to be a first class city.
Mr. Dan McCreight, 735 Park St., member of First Baptist Church, said a 40% waiver cap
does not provide incentive to make improvements or allow for pre-existing improvements. Now
is the worst time to increase negative economic conditions for non-profit organizations. He asked
Council to test churches on their commitment to environmental stewardship.
Mr. Jeff Kreseck, Chair of the Board for Love Inc., explained the services his organization
provides for 200-300 community members on a shoestring budget. He said 30% of their funding
comes from local churches, and the impact of this fee will have an immediate impact.
Mr. Bruce Wardell, 112 4th St., said this should not be framed by the logic of charging a
fee for anyone who uses this infrastructure because the community benefits by non-profit
services on a daily basis without paying for it. He asked Council not to adopt the ordinance until
it reflects the value non-profits provide to the City. Churches are not saying they will not meet
their environmental requirements.
Mr. Richard Lloyd, County resident, said it is not fair to treat the poor and wealthy equally
when charging this fee. There is a difference between taxing on assessed value and assessing a
tax based on the size of their roof.
Ms. Vera Mason, Lexington Ave., said she is opposed to non-profit organizations being
required to pay for stormwater run-off. She reviewed the many services First Baptist Church
provides to the community.
Mr. John Heyden, Westwood Dr., said it is fair for everyone to pay their fair share of the
fee, including non-profits and low income citizens.
Ms. Galvin said Council is well-aware that there was some confusion regarding the
Belmont Bridge, and they are working to address this.
Ms. Szakos said she agreed the Belmont Bridge issue needs more vetting.
Mr. Norris said residents of public housing are not in fact getting by in free rent, unlike Mr.
Heyden's claim.
CONSENT AGENDA* (Items removed from the consent agenda will be
considered at the end of the regular agenda.)
Mr. Huja said the West Main Streetscape report will be pulled for discussion after the
Stormwater report.
Mr. Norris clarified that he is not voting in support of item e regarding the Bypass
Interchange at McIntire Road.
On motion by Ms. Szakos, seconded by Ms. Galvin, the consent agenda was approved with
the exceptions noted above. (Ayes: Mr. Norris, Ms. Galvin, Ms. Smith, Ms. Szakos, Mr. Huja;
Noes: None.)
a. Minutes for February 4
Minutes for Feb 4
Contribution for Urban Forest Improvements and Invasive Species Removal in
Riverview Park - $4,000 (2nd of 2 readings)
Contribution for Urban Forest Improvements
Contribution from the American Heritage Foundation for the Charlottesville Fire
Department Wellness and Fitness Program - $5,000 (2nd of 2 readings)
Contribution from the American Heritage Foundation for the Charlottesville Fire Department
Appropriation of Visitor's Bureau Fund Balance - $100,000 (2nd of 2 readings)
Appropriation of Visitor's Bureau Fund Balance
Route 250 Bypass Interchange at McIntire Road - Appropriate $2,598,762.81 and
Transfer $71,090.07 (2nd of 2 readings)
Route 250 Bypass Interchange at McIntire Road
Albemarle County Reimbursement for the Fire Protection Assessments Project -
$8,241.78 (1st of 2 readings)
Albemarle County Reimbursement for the Fire Protection Assessments Project
Disproportionate Minority Contact in Juvenile Justice - $55,556 (1st of 2 readings)
Disproportionate Minority Contact in Juvenile Justice
h. RESOLUTION: (Pulled)
West Main Streetscape Improvements - $350,000 Fund Transfer (1st of 1 reading)
Zoning Text Initiation - Parking Lots and Garages (1st of 1 reading)
Zoning Text Initiation - Parking Lots and Garages
Emergency Communications Center (ECC) Cost Allocation Agreement between
City and County (2nd of 2 readings)
Emergency Communications Center (ECC) Cost Allocation Agreement
REPORT / ORDINANCE* Classifying Marijuana Possession as a Class IV
Misdemeanor (1st of 2 readings)
Classifying Marijuana Possession as a Class IV Misdemeanor
Mr. Brown presented to Council on the ordinance classifying marijuana possession as a
Class IV misdemeanor. He added language classifying second offenses as a Class I misdemeanor
to make it consistent with state law, per the City code. There will be no sixth amendment right
to court appointed counsel because there must be a possibility of incarceration to provide such a
service. Mr. Norris said that does not mean the City could not choose to provide that counsel.
Mr. Brown said there is not enabling authority to pay for such a service.
Ms. Smith asked what qualifies a citizen as indigent. Mr. Dave Chapman, Commonwealth
Attorney, said there is a formula used on the basis of income and other factors to determine if
someone is indigent or not. It is a generous standard for appointing counsel to those with limited
Mr. Norris asked whose decision is it whether to prosecute under state or local ordinance.
Mr. Chapman said a policy could be chosen locally to do it one way or the other, and it could be
determined by the Commonwealth Attorney's office, the police department, or other entities
enabled under local ordinance.
Ms. Smith asked when a person caught with a small amount of marijuana would have their
license taken away. Mr. Chapman said most people accept a 30 day suspended sentence in lieu of
having probation, and they do not pay a fine.
Ms. Smith asked if there was a quantity associated with the Class IV misdemeanor. Mr.
Chapman said a half ounce or greater creates possession with intent to distribute. Ms. Szakos
said that is not a very large amount. Ms. Smith asked how much discretion is built into this at the
arrest point, because that is where we see disproportionate application in the judicial system. Mr.
Chapman said this is controllable by the policies and procedures implemented by the police
Ms. Smith asked if we can pass an ordinance that does not specify that a second arrest will
be a Class I misdemeanor. Mr. Chapman said he does not know of an impediment to doing so.
Mr. Chapman said making possession cases is not a priority for law enforcement. Ms. Smith said
the consequences are serious. Mr. Chapman said there are reasons for this. It is important not to
encourage young people to use this substance in any respect.
Mr. Chapman said it is important to get an answer to questions that are not certain before
adopting an ordinance.
Ms. Smith said she supports moving as close as we can to making this a very low impact
offense since there is no option to go to legalization.
Ms. Szakos said she thinks there are very few things aside from violent crimes for which
prison is the right answer. The ordinance as written would not be much different from what we
have now. She said the ordinance as presented is not compelling enough to pass.
Ms. Galvin said she believes we are following best practices in many ways with how we
deal with the issue of marijuana and substance use through the existing criminal justice system.
Low risk offenders should not be put in a pool with high risk offenders. Our lawmakers and
enforcers should be spending time appropriately. We are concerned that people are being
imprisoned when they really need substance abuse treatment, education, and health care. By
creating a local ordinance that conflicts with our state ordinance, we may create a law of
unintended consequences. We are working very well and hard to create a just system, and
dealing with one small ordinance may not do what everyone believes it will do.
Mr. Norris said we are trying to create an ordinance that would reflect our opinion that
marijuana is not a high priority for law enforcement. Our policy and our message should mirror
that, as it is already generally our practice. He cited New York City's recent decision and said we
should adopt that as official City policy.
Mr. Norris asked Mr. Brown where the $250 fee number came from. Mr. Brown said this is
according to the state's classification of misdemeanors. Mr. Norris asked if the locality can set
that fine lower as a matter of policy. Mr. Brown said he would not endorse any ordinance that
was not consistent with state law, and it is generally up to the judge to determine the fine.
Mr. Norris said he supports us entering into an agreement with the public defender’s office
in exchange for representing anyone who is prosecuted under the local ordinance. We should
provide clarification for the DMV’s policy on license removal. We should clarify what the policy
would be for a local offense versus a state offense. We need to shift our view to public health and
reexamine our local resources for drug and alcohol rehabilitation.
Mr. Huja said this effects many lives and is a legal issue as well as a policy issue. We are
not incarcerating citizens in Charlottesville for a first offense. This is a good policy and should
continue. No other purpose would be served by passing a revised ordinance at this time.
Ms. Szakos said she would like to put the New York City policy before our Police Chief
for consideration. This seems to be our practice, and we may want to codify it.
Ms. Galvin said we need more information about public health, and the criminal justice
network is willing to discuss this matter. We should have an engaged work session at the end of
the spring regarding these issues. Ms. Szakos said she is not opposed to a work session, but we
may rather go individually to involved organizations for discussion. Ms. Galvin said those
organizations have suggested a work session to encourage a thorough engagement.
Mr. Huja said he supports discussing the New York policy with the Police Chief and the
Commonwealth Attorney in order to institutionalize what we are already doing.
Mr. Norris moved that Council adopt Mr. Fogel's original proposal making possession a
Class IV misdemeanor and contracting with the public defender's office.
Mr. Brown read the original proposed ordinance from Mr. Fogel. Mr. Norris suggested
adding language about providing access to a public defender.
Ms. Smith seconded the ordinance.
Mr. Huja, Ms. Szakos, and Ms. Galvin said they would not support it. Mr. Norris withdrew
his motion so that staff can explore other avenues, such as applying provisions locally.
Mr. Norris and Mr. Huja supported the work session request.
REPORT: ORDINANCE/RESOLUTION- Stormwater Utility Ordinance (2nd of 2
readings) and Resolution Establishing the Water Resources Protection Program
(WRPP) Advisory Committee (1st of 1 reading)
Stormwater Utility Ordinance
Ms. Riddervold presented to Council on the Stormwater Utility proposal. She gave
background on the process over the last few years and reviewed the WRPP Advisory
Committee’s findings.
Ms. Galvin asked about breaking up jurisdictions into equal pieces based on a drainage
plan. Mr. Norris said we have taken substantial action in the last five years, even though we
have not yet solved the problem. Ms. Galvin said there is a benefit to doing this quickly because
of the low-cost bond environment, and it would save more money overall. At the rate that we are
replacing our pipes, it would take over forty years to replace high-priority areas. Ms. Riddervold
said this program would be reviewed annually.
Mr. Huja asked Mr. Brown if state enabling legislation would authorize an exemption for
non-profit property owners. He said there is no such enabling legislation. Exemptions do not
recognize non-profit status when assessing property owners. Mr. Huja asked if it is possible to
collect the fees and then offer a rebate to non-profit organizations. Mr. Brown said there is not
authority to make donations to churches.
Ms. Galvin asked if we can provide grants to churches for retrofitting. Ms. Riddervold said
this is possible and would need to be built into the budget. The program proposal currently
provides for incentive assistance.
Mr. Norris asked if it is possible to create a more liberalized incentive program for
churches and non-profits. Ms. Riddervold said those approaches may be possible, but they
would have to occur outside the utility process.
Ms. Szakos said this is a reasonable way of measuring how much people use infrastructure
and asking them to pay for it. Non-profits and churches receive many services without paying
for them, and taking money from one pot to add to another does not seem fair.
Ms. Smith asked if the user fee was determined to be more equitable than a real estate tax
increase when the research on this first began. Ms. Riddervold said they were directed by the
governing body at that time to research fee assessments instead of a real estate tax. Ms. Smith
said City taxpayers already subsidize non-profits and churches, and this contribution should be
recognized. The total amount of contribution from churches is actually small in comparison, and
the impact on residential payers would be doubled if we do not impose user fees on churches.
Ms. Galvin said by changes in user patterns, we can bring our fees down, and this is an
important aspect to this plan. Without the utility aspect, there is no incentive to change. Ms.
Galvin asked to change "any person" to "any property owner". Ms. Riddervold said the word
"person" was intended to provide flexibility. The word "person" does also indicate a corporate
Ms. Galvin said we need to examine what going up to an 80% credit incentive program
would mean. Ms. Riddervold said we need to do more research on this point. Mr. Huja said he
supports a minimum of 50% for incentives. Ms. Smith said the more you allow credit for people
who have the resources to implement conservation techniques, the more it will negatively impact
low income residents. Ms. Szakos said you could go beyond 40% by reducing the amount of
impervious surface on your property.
Ms. Szakos moved to pass the ordinance as written. Ms. Smith seconded.
Mr. Huja asked why appeals are directed to staff only, and not to the advisory committee
(Section 10-108). Ms. Szakos said we changed the language because going through staff made
the process less onerous.
Ms. Szakos requested item h under appeals to say this structure for appeals will be
reassessed at the end of the first year and evaluated for potential modifications.
Mr. Norris said he opposes this proposal and believes the level of funding and the people
this will affect comes at a time of already tough fiscal choices. It is not a good time to pull
money out of the pockets of our property owners. He asked if there was support on Council for
directing staff to come back with a proposed credit/incentive system that would allow for a full
waiver for tax-exempt properties that are taking steps to remediate stormwater on their
Ms. Szakos said if we continue to pay for stormwater from our general fund, we will
detract from our other services. Ms. Galvin said she does not think of this as a tax, but as a user
fee. This is an important piece of infrastructure. Ms. Smith said she will push for compensation
for our churches and non-profits, as well as low-income residents, by taking away the PILOT
program, which is an extremely regressive tax.
Mr. Huja said he supports the resolution as presented. He asked that staff examine
increasing the incentive option.
On motion by Ms. Szakos, seconded by Ms. Smith, the ordinance passed. (Ayes: Ms.
Szakos, Ms. Smith, Mr. Huja, Ms. Galvin; Noes: Mr. Norris.)
Ms. Galvin said she wants to be sure there will be adequate representation from non-profits
and churches. Ms. Smith asked to add "at least" seven members to the committee. Ms. Galvin
said there should be a cap to the total number. Ms. Smith said the advisory committee should
take a role in researching credits. Ms. Riddervold suggested a stakeholder group be convened to
examine that specific issue, separate from the advisory committee. Ms. Smith said this should be
formed as soon as possible.
Mr. Huja said an appeal process should be vetted through a body other than staff. Ms.
Szakos said we could make this decision at the end of the first year. Mr. Huja said this should go
through a citizen body before it goes to court. Ms. Smith said this may be a good idea, but she is
not sure we need to do it now.
On motion by Ms. Szakos, seconded by Ms. Galvin, the resolution to form the Water
Resources Protection Program Advisory Committee, with the addition of the language “between
seven and eleven committee members”, passed. (Ayes: Ms. Szakos, Ms. Smith, Mr. Huja, Ms.
Galvin, Mr. Norris; Noes: None.)
RESOLUTION: West Main Streetscape Improvements - $350,000 Fund Transfer
(1st of 1 reading)
West Main Streetscape Improvements
Mr. Tolbert presented to Council. He clarified that it is safe to take money out of the Old
Lynchburg Road (OLR) project, as we have a 40% contingency built in for the project.
Mr. Huja said he supports the idea of the design. He said he agreed that there is enough
money in the account. He said $350,000 is high, and we should start with $250,000 instead. Ms.
Galvin asked that the RFP not specify a price. Mr. Huja agreed.
Ms. Galvin this is an interesting hybrid between drawing and construction documents.
Ms. Keller, Planning Commission chair, was invited to speak. She said this will benefit the
City and complement existing efforts to fill the gap between our historic downtown and our
vibrant hospital/University area.
Ms. Smith asked why we need another study. Ms. Keller said this is an update to bring all
the previous threads together and responds to conditions we see at this point in time. Ms. Szakos
said how we can know something will happen with this study when previous studies have not
produced action. Ms. Smith said she is uncomfortable taking $100,000 out of undergrounding
utilities. Mr. Tolbert said we have to have the engineering work done to underground them, and
this is what the funds are for.
Mr. Norris said he liked Ms. Galvin's addendum. He asked if we could at least commit to
utilizing contingency funds to make the OLR project whole if necessary. Staff agreed to this.
On motion by Mr. Norris, seconded by Ms. Szakos, the resolution passed. (Ayes: Ms.
Smith, Mr. Norris, Ms. Szakos, Ms. Galvin, Mr. Huja; Noes: None.)
REPORT / RESOLUTION: Council Meeting Guidelines (1st of 1 reading)
Mr. Huja deferred this report until the next Council meeting.
REPORT: ADA Curb Ramp Inventory and Pedestrian Initiatives
ADA Curb Ramp Inventory and Pedestrian Initiatives
ADA Curb Ramp Inventory and Pedestrian Initiatives PPT
Ms. Poncy presented to Council. She reviewed the proposed ADA transition plan,
including curb ramp prioritization. She reviewed best practices and proposed future standards
and upcoming activities for the remainder of FY 2012.
Ms. Galvin asked that improvements not be made before streetscape plans come through.
Mr. Norris said our default position should be to install buffers, recognizing there are
circumstances where that may not be possible.
Mr. Huja said quality of design and materials are important for the long term benefits. He
said patching the downtown mall with asphalt looks tacky. Mr. Tolbert said this was a
temporary fix and is not the long-term solution.
Ms. Szakos thanked staff and Mr. Herndon for his work on ADA compliance.
REPORT: Advocates for a Sustainable Albemarle Population (ASAP) Report
Advocates for a Sustainable Albemarle Population (ASAP) Report
Mr. David Shreve presented a summary of the analysis of the fiscal costs and potential
benefits of growth in Charlottesville and Albemarle County. He reviewed results of the ASAP
report. Mr. Craig Evans, author of the report, could not be here this evening.
No growth of any type will offer any fiscal advantage to City residents.
Mr. Jack Marshall, president of ASAP, said one conclusion is that we need to revisit longheld
assumptions that growth is good. This is only true up to a point, and most American
localities have already reached that point. Albemarle and Charlottesville can benefit from
developing thoughtful population policies.
Ms. Smith asked if the defense department brought in people from outside. Mr. Shreve
said that he can only speak anecdotally, but they did bring in many employees, which may be an
Ms. Galvin questioned the land use categories. The amount of generated revenue they
report seems extremely low. Mr. Peter Katz, Director of Smart Growth, calculated that a mixed
use building downtown brought in $80,000 in property tax revenue. There are clear benefits to
being compact and building within our existing means, which she did not hear from the report.
Mr. Shreve said this was targeted mostly at the county and its practices. Cities are efficient
ways of organizing people, but cities are also dependent on places that are not cities for
ecosystem services, so it is best to focus regionally. He said there is no doubt there are still some
projects that will offer fiscal benefit, but that should not be the aim of pursuing projects.
Mr. Huja said we already have basic infrastructure, which the county does not have. Mr.
Shreve said one of the reasons the county looks worse than the city from a cost perspective is
because the city has to anticipate their infrastructure needs, whereas the county does not.
Counties defer this much more often because they can.
Ms. Ann Marie, 808 Altavista Ave., said she feels that many public forums, such as the
Belmont Bridge, or the CAT meetings, include public hearings because they are required, and
not because staff actually wants to hear from citizens. She said the Belmont Bridge design forum
presenters were not the appropriate people for the situation and were a waste of money. Mr.
Chapman grouped marijuana with alcohol and tobacco, and we do not impose the same
punishment on adults that we do on children. The Vinegar Hill Cafe should have a permanent
installation that talks about where the name came from and what happened in that community.
Mr. Will Sampson, 609 Wine Cellar Cir., said he takes exception with Ms. Galvin's
definition of a tax. He said he was disappointed at the way the public comment operated for
Matters By The Public.
Ms. Nancy Carpenter, 727 Denali Way, said housing is too expensive, and you are creating
a market that is not serviced because the targeted group cannot afford the housing that is being
built. She said staff needs to begin a dialogue about service delivery for mental health care.
Mr. Scott Bandy, 1639 Cherry Ave., said Council needs to be sure not to change the
Matters by the Public process so that names are drawn out of a fishbowl.
Mr. Norris and Ms. Smith asked that Rivanna River Basin Commission and area
collaboration be a component of the utility commission.
Ms. Szakos said Ms. Lena Marie's comment about public feedback was appreciated. This
is a work in progress, and Mr. Jones has directed staff to include information about public
comment on each report. She said we do not want departments to think this is just a box we have
to tick off.
The meeting was adjourned.
Clerk of Council

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